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Hello and welcome to the spike podcast. I'm Tom Slater, editor of Spiked. No Fraser Myers or Ella Wielen this week. We can't find them, but luckily I've been able to find two very esteemed

standings who are going to help me navigate what's been another crazy week in British politics.

I'm delighted to be joined by Luke Gittos. Luke is a what's been another crazy week in British politics.

I'm delighted to be joined by Luke Gitos.

Luke is a spike columnist, a lawyer,

and the founder of the Freedom Law Clinic.

Luke, thanks for coming on the show.

Thanks.

And also still like to be joined by Paul Embry,

who is a trade unionist and writer.

How you doing Paul? Very good, thanks Tom. So we're going to discuss the backlash to the

Rwanda plan, the Grenfell tragedy five years ona Starmer's leadership and why Glastonbury is so white.

So to kick things off, let's talk about the Rwanda plan, it's been the big story of the week and I think this is probably the week where it stops really being an argument about immigration in many respects and became an argument about who gets to set immigration policy.

So this, of course, is the Tories flagship immigration policy

of sending illegal migrants effectively

to the Central African state in order

to try and kind of break the business model of the people traffickers going

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