181 - From Activist to Apostate–A Twisty-Turny "Gender Journey," with Tali

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Mental Health

4.6 • 961 Ratings

🗓️ 30 August 2024

⏱️ 90 minutes

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Summary

Tali shares her journey from an ardent activist deeply immersed in gender and identity politics to someone questioning and ultimately walking away from the dogmatic beliefs she once held. Her story is a roller coaster of conviction, self-discovery, and transformation, particularly as she navigates the complexities of having encouraged her wife towards a trans identity of her own.

Listeners will gain insight into the mindset of passionate activists, the impact of societal pressures on personal identity, and the challenges of disentangling oneself from groupthink. This episode offers a glimpse into the delicate process of questioning deeply held beliefs and the reflection and critical thought essential to shifting perspectives.

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0:00.0	Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.
0:04.4	And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.
0:08.6	And this is Gender, a wider lens, a podcast dedicated to the shifting concepts around gender in our contemporary culture.
0:16.0	Through in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration, we seek to open up the discourse around this hot button issue.
0:25.0	Join us as we look at gender from a wider lens.
0:29.0	Hi Stella. How's it going Sasha? How are you? I'm doing really well. How about you?
0:38.0	Good, good. I thought this episode with Tali was really going to give people an insight into what it's like to be somebody who is completely engaged in gender and gender identity and lots of things that other people
0:57.4	I suppose many listeners to our episode what our podcast wouldn't be used to hearing arguably the other side of the coin.
1:05.6	Would that be right?
1:06.6	Yeah.
1:07.6	Tolly was engaged in, you know, what we would think is some pretty extremist activism around things like gender and race and all kinds of other identity issues.
1:18.0	And what's fascinating about her story is that she's married to a woman and she actually got her normy wife, she calls her my
1:28.0	normy wife, really into gender identity herself and started, her wife started to adopt
1:37.2	trans pronoun and a different name and came out and made a really big change in her life.
1:43.4	And then, right as Tolly was starting to have questions
1:47.2	about her extreme activism, she realized, oh, no, what have I done?
1:53.2	And then she had to walk her wife back.
1:56.0	So this is a real roller coaster of a story.
2:00.4	And it's a great insight into the personality of somebody who's intelligent, opinionated,
2:08.9	justice-oriented, and kind of doesn't care what other people think, but that of course can be a huge benefit and it can be a
2:18.3	challenge as you'll hear in Tolly's story today.
2:22.0	Yeah, I think Tally's story today. Yeah, I think, Tally, you know, she's definitely somebody that is a very interesting personality
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