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Oh, another reason I'm drawn to Jesus as somebody who is a skeptical person.

The way he does not put up with human hierarchies.

He doesn't.

What I mean by that is.

The guys that were following him, they'd be like, well, who's going to be in charge of this?

And it was going to be your right hand, you know, that's where it's definitely.

He's like, you're asking the wrong questions.

By the way, here's a towel.

Get down on your knees, start washing people's feet, start to, like, that's what I'm talking about.

Even sex.

They were thinking about, you know, what if I'm an authority over this person or that.

It's like, that's how the rest of the world works.

He said, not so with you.

Yeah.

Well, as somebody who's like, I see people wanting, all of us want prestige,

want power, want to be in control, and he calls that out, love it.

He flips everything upside down.

Like, if you want to be the greatest, you have to be the least.

That's just, that is medicinal to me.

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