That unless you blow off some steam with humor and humor is the best way to do it,

that you basically will take this home and it will ruin your life.

We want to talk about true crime in a way that's not going to send us into a deep dark place every time we think about it.

How do you breathe? How do you breathe knowing that it's not solved? How do you get justice?

Hello and welcome to Best Case Worc case. This is Jim Clementi, Retired FBI Profiler, Former New York City prosecutor, and writer producer on CBS' Criminal Minds. And with me today is...

Hi everybody, it's francey hakes, former state and federal prosecutor, and I am so happy to report that for once Jim and I are in the studio together.

Isn't that great? Well aren't you excited today, francey? We have very special guests, the host of Martini's and Murder, John Thrasher and Darren Carp. How you doing, John and Darren? Great!

Great, thanks for having us on. We're really excited to talk to you guys.

Yeah, well it's so amazing that there are such an interest in talking about crime and true crime especially. And so it's great that your podcast is doing so well. We really enjoy it, francey and I.

We know that you have sort of this thing about drinking while you're podcasting, right?

Just a thing. Just a little thing, just in the title of the show.

Yeah, it's the first thing you hear. Yeah.

Okay, and so do you actually drink while you're podcasting?

We definitely drink while podcasting. You can kind of tell in some of the cases that we cover that, you know, 20, 30 minutes in, John and I are giggling or slurring our words. That's not us. That's the alcohol talking.

Yeah, well I think it's great. I'm trying to convince Jim that our discussions might be even more passionate if you give me a lemon drop martini or two, but so far I haven't convinced him.

Oh my god, lemon drops are my favorite martini too. It sounds like it sounds like it's a love connection. It's great. There you go. Don't tell her husband though, please.

One of the things I find most interesting about your podcast is that your boss mixes your martinis. Yeah, that's been a really interesting dynamic to work through, but he is definitely the bartender and producer of the show and also my boss.

He's actually not Darren's boss so she gets away with things. Maybe that I technically couldn't. Got it, but we kind of made an agreement. You know, once we're in the room, once we're in the studio and everything's going all bets are all bets are off. Yeah.

I get away with a lot and John just has to kind of silently nod to keep his job. So it's very freeing for me. Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

Well, I think it's important that we explain to our viewers why we think it is incredibly beneficial to have humor wrapped around crime because as professionals in the field, we know that unless you blow off some steam with humor and humor is the best way to do it.

That you basically will take this home. It will ruin your life and especially for our listeners out there who didn't make a professional choice to be in law enforcement. We're bringing you behind police lines and therefore you're getting some of that post dramatic stress from these events.

And so we think it's important from time to time if you don't mind, we'll have people like John and Darren on and we hope you guys come back again. Yeah, thank you talk about a lighter side of covering true crime.

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