This podcast is sponsored by Doider, one of the leading backpack brands that will help you hit the trails with confidence and comfort, but most importantly, your snacks.

Deuter has a history of first ascents and alpine roots. Their head of product development even climbed Everest once in jeans.

Hashtag not fake news. Deuter is known for fit, comfort, and ventilation. Founded in

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puppies, pocket bacon, and getting sandy, whether at the crag or in the alpine.

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It helps support the show and it helps support you.

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Today we're going to talk about Ali.

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