Hello and welcome to Outrage and Optimism. I'm Tom Rifik Karnak.

I'm Christina Vigéres and I'm Paul Dickinson.

And today in a world where feelings seem to count as evidence, how can we still have a shared understanding of what is true as we make policies that will affect the future of all of us.

We look at the latest data and ask what solutions exist and we explore this issue with Bill 9,

champion of science, author, and science educator of generations of Americans.

Thanks for being here.

So, this week we want to explore the very topical issue of how we made it

wait Tom wait I'm going to interrupt you hi Christina Tom thank you for that very enthusiastic introduction, however.

Oh no, I know I'm in trouble.

Paul and I would like to welcome you back out of jail.

Did you have to put bail down?

How did you get out of jail for putting your daughter and your daughter's friend to work when they're both minors.

We just wanted...

You don't need to answer in public, you can tell us later.

Let's just say it was heroic and I'm back. Okay well welcome back and

secondly Tom you know that I am particularly sensitive to this American thing because America is a

continent. It is not a country. There are more than 40 countries in the

continent of America and I think what you meant to say is that Bill Nye

has actually been a voice for science for decadesS. citizens.

It is a full five years, I think,

since you stormed into my office at the United Nation.

And I don't think you actually nailed it to the wall,

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