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And we're up with the future governor of California, Michael Shellman.

Hello, Michael.

Thanks for having you back, Joe.

Nice to see you.

Hey, I said that I wasn't going to do any more political podcast,

but I had already booked this one.

So for people like, what the fuck, man?

But you're not just a political person, you know, your book, San Francisco, what would you call that?

That's a sociopolitical book.

Yeah, that's a work of journalism, commercial non-fiction, for sure.

And a way for people to understand what can happen when bad policies get in the way of a city and turn it sideways which is what has happened to San Francisco.

Yeah, pathological altruism.

I've held...

I like that word.

Yeah. It's not mine.

I mean, I just, you know, it synthesized a bunch of other people stuff but I mean I considered whether

it was Monkhausen syndrome by proxy mhm why so well so Monkhausen syndrome by proxy of

course is when like a parent deliberately poisons her child in order to be able to treat the child

for illness.

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