Hello, welcome back to Trucker on Guys Podcast. I'm Lauren.

And I'm Michael.

How's everybody doing? We're back on the free feed. Just did a Patreon exclusive episode last week. If you missed that, patreon.com slash true crime guys.

That's all I'll say. We'll talk more about that later. But this week we're getting back to our roots. We're getting back to just a good old fashioned serial killer.

And actually a serial killer duo, which I feel like is really our specialty. We've done a handful of those and those been some of our better episodes.

And to take it a step further, it's a related serial killer duo.

Family members, cousins. Yeah, killing cousins. If you couldn't tell by the title.

Cousins are an underrated part of your life, especially if you're like an only child like I was. They were like my brother. They still are to this day.

Yeah, no doubt. I feel the same way. I wasn't an only child, but I had two younger sisters. So like my male cousins, they were like that.

To me, they live. I had two cousins that live next door. And then my grandma lived a couple houses down. So my other cousins were always visiting her. And I would run over there and play with them. So yeah.

Cousins are like you say they're underrated. And there's up. There's a big variance in people's relationships with cousins.

Yeah. Like a cousin sounds like it's someone distant. But you could be as close to them as a sibling or it could be a cousin you never met before.

It's kind of weird. Right. Like a cousin. Several of them lived with me growing up. You know, like my aunt would get into hard times and she would come and live with us. And we literally shared a bedroom. Like it was like we were brothers for a long time. Yeah. Exactly.

Exactly. So yeah. And we never killed anybody together though. So that's good. There was that. We did do some, you know, porn scavenging and all kinds of shit that you do and adolescents.

Right. We found the where the Walmart is on Centennial and Las Vegas back when it was desert. We found porn hill and like stuffed our backpacks full of, you know, nice, probably hobo porn.

Hobo.

Most pages.

But yeah, we had some some close situations together over the years. It's never killed anybody. But you know, never killed anybody though.

No, but we don't want to experience everything. Your cousin bond wasn't that strong. Okay. I see.

No. Maybe we just were a little bit more well adjusted. Yeah. Maybe.

All right. Let's get into it. Let's do it, man. It was really great to hear from someone who has the same interest in the same taboo things as I do.

Most of the time I don't talk about it much because people just don't understand. You saw my name on Rich Downey's website and you'd like the story about the detectives wife.

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