#1787 The American President vs The American Pope: Leo XIV, Trump, and the MAGA-Catholic Rift
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Jay Tomlinson
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🗓️ 29 April 2026
⏱️ 196 minutes
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Summary
Air Date: 4–29-2026
Today we explore the extraordinary clash between Pope Leo XIV and the Trump White House — a feud involving military threats, medieval papal history, and an American-born pope who refuses to back down. We'll hear why analysts say MAGA's religiosity is pure aesthetic, and what that hollowness means for the millions of Americans still taking their faith seriously.
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TOP TAKES
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KP 6: Did Trump Officials Threaten the Vatican' The Avignon Papacy Warning Explained - SWAJ with Brad Onishi and Dan Miller - Air Date 4-11-26
KP 7: Republicans .0002 Seconds After the Pope Says Anything - Man Carrying Thing - Air Date 4-18-26
(00:47:36) NOTE FROM THE EDITOR
Pope Leo vs. Trump: The Catholic Opening Democrats Are Blowing
DEEPER DIVES
(00:56:09) SECTION A: TRUMP AND COMPANY'S LOVE/HATE PAPAL RELATIONSHIP
(01:39:29) SECTION B: ANTI CATHOLIC SENTIMENT IN AMERICA
(02:05:17) SECTION C: THE POPE VS THE TRUMP
(02:49:26) SECTION D: SOME MISC HISTORICAL CONTEXT
SHOW IMAGE CREDITS
Description: Composite image of Pope Leo XIV and Trump against the background of Trump's AI image of himself as Jesus.
Credit: Internal design. Components: 1. "Pope Leo XIV 3 (3x4 crop)" by Edgar Beltran, The Pillar via Wikimedia Commons | CC BY-SA 3.0 | Changes: Transparent background | 2. "Donald Trump" by Gage Skidmore, Flickr | CC BY-SA 2.0 | Changes: Transparent background | 3. Trump as Jesus, AI image, Truth Social, Public Domain
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to this episode of the award-winning Best of the Left podcast. Today we explored the |
| 0:07.9 | extraordinary clash between Pope Leo XIV and the Trump White House, a feud involving |
| 0:13.1 | military threats, medieval people history, and an American-born Pope who refuses to back down. |
| 0:20.2 | We'll hear why analysts say Maga's religiosity is pure aesthetic |
| 0:24.3 | and what that hollowness means for the millions of Americans still taking their faith seriously. |
| 0:30.1 | For those looking for a quick overview, |
| 0:31.8 | the sources providing our top takes in about 50 minutes today |
| 0:34.4 | include Democracy Now, The Holy Post, the PBS News Hour, The |
| 0:38.9 | Cavernacle, Conspiratuality, SWAJ, and Man Carrying Thing. |
| 0:44.7 | Then, in the additional deeper dives half of the show, there will be more in four sections. |
| 0:48.7 | Section A, Trump and Companies Love, Hate, Paper Relationship, Section B, anti-Catholic sentiment in America, |
| 0:55.9 | section C, the Pope versus Trump, and section D, some miscellaneous historical context. |
| 1:02.2 | But first, a reminder to check out our new show solved on the Best of Left YouTube channel. |
| 1:06.4 | We're really proud of the show we're making and think you'll get real value out of it. |
| 1:09.4 | Plus, you checking it out will help us find new viewers on YouTube. |
| 1:12.3 | So thanks in advance for all of your reviews, likes, subscribes, and comments. |
| 1:16.0 | That's all on the best of left YouTube channel, linked in the show notes. |
| 1:19.5 | And now, on the show. |
| 1:24.9 | I applaud the Pope for his courage to say what his position demands him to say as a leader of faith, |
| 1:34.4 | as someone we look up to to speak truth to power and to call for a vision of peace. |
| 1:39.9 | And what we've witnessed is actually two versions of Christianity. |
| 1:43.7 | One represented by the Pope, shaped by the ethics of Christ, shaped even by Old Testament prophetic |
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