In what way is 100 the first and 38 the last?

The answer to that at the end of the show.

My name's Tom Scott, and this is Lateral.

Lateral is the podcast that fits perfectly into your daily routine,

whether you're commuting, cooking, or in the case

of one of our long-term listeners, working out. She told us she times her exercise sessions to the

exact length of the show. So today, in her honour, we've prepared a two-hour special. Good luck out there,

Katie, your quads won't thank you, but our listening stats will. Meanwhile, our guests today are under no such physical pressure. They are, firstly, from ITV's The Genius

Game, PhD student and current Miss London, Charlotte Young, welcome back to the show.

Hello, thank you very much for having me again. I say current Miss London. How long does that

last for? It's a one-year rain, and I'm still hoping to keep my crown.

What kind of things do you get to do as Miss London? Oh, I have done a couple of photo shoots

with some celebrity photographers. I've gone and done some pictures for a dental clinic as well.

We're also hoping to do some intercity crowned queens kind of things with like Birmingham,

Manchester, all of those things.

So yeah, it's been,

it's been fun. It's pretty good. How do you balance that and a PhD? That feels like too much

going on for one person there. Yes, I've actually recently passed my upgrade. So that's been a,

like a huge sigh of relief from my side. But I don't know what that is.

When you start your PhD, you're technically on an M-Phil course, and then one to one-and-a-half years in, you have to do some sort of a viver, whereas you defending what you've done against

two professors, and they basically either say, you failed badly enough that you won't even

get an M-FIL, you failed, but you're good enough

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