I first heard about it because Barbara Streisand had her dog cloned.

She said, but they had completely different personalities.

And not being a scientist, but being something of a poet, she said, you can clone the look

of a dog, but you can't clone the soul.

Hey there, fellow training nerds. You're listening to Drinking from the Toilet.

If you like to geek out about combining the science of behavior with positive reinforcement philosophy in real life, you've come to the right place. And I'm your host, Hannah Branigan, teacher, trainer, podcaster, and author of the book, Awesome Obedience, its companion, Awesome Obedience, the Field Guide,

which are both available from clickertraining.com.

Okay, so some period of time ago, time is a construct, I saw a post on Facebook by Dr.

Clive Wend, in which he said, and I quote,

Denying the existence of dominance in dog human relationships because of a distaste for Caesar

Milan would make as much sense as if astronomers denied the existence of stars out of an

antipathy towards astrology. I hope I pronounced that correctly. Now, this felt very controversial.

I had questions. So I went out

on a limb and I asked if you would be willing to do a podcast episode with me to elaborate. And to my

surprise, he said yes. So if you too have questions, you might stick around for this conversation.

But before we get into that, got to send a shout out to some very special folks who are exceptionally

awesome supporting this podcast on Patreon. So thank you to Mickey M., Amy A., Sonia K,

Haley G, and Sarah W. I love you. You're very special, and I'm holding you in my heart. I really appreciate you.

Our next live patrons only Q&A is going to be on July 20th at 1 p.m. Eastern. Of course,

it is recorded. So members at any level get access to the audio recordings of all our Q&As

through a secret podcast stream

separate from this one. And truly committed behavior nerds get access to the live event and the

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