Hey, everybody. You know, if you're a regular listener, you know I like to have experts on people like

Daniel Lithwick on the Supreme Court or Anne Applebaum on the wars in Ukraine and Gaza or

Molly Jung Fast on Congress. But for the Fourth of July, I like to have someone who was really there for the

Fourth of July, and I'm talking about our third president and the author of the Declaration

of Independence, Thomas Jefferson. He comes to us virtually today, as you might imagine,

but I think you're going to enjoy our 4th of July special podcasts.

It's a great one.

You know,

for a change.

President Jefferson,

thank you for joining me.

My pleasure.

You know,

lots of writers have used this device over the years.

Really, I thought I was the first. You're joking. That's funny. Oh, okay. Where are you

joining us from, sir? From my crypt in Monticello.

Well, first of all, congratulations.

Your words have held up very well.

For the most part.

I've been kicking myself for almost 200 years now

on the all-men are created equal thing.

How so? Well, all men should mean all men are created equal thing. How so?

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