So, I guess now is the point in your story where we start to talk about some of the breaks

or some of the cracks emerging.

And I don't know if that starts with kind of your awakening man that you alluded to previously

or, but where do the cracks start emerging?

What are the main factors?

Well, once Sally was married, she came to visit us one time and she said to me something

about mom, you need to get better at talking about how you feel with dad and with everybody.

And we had some pretty serious conversations and she kind of woke me up a little bit.

And...

Do you know what she was worried about?

What was she felt that way?

Yeah, she felt like no matter what, I kept quiet about it.

And that I didn't express, you know, if Rod was upset about something, then I tried

to fix what he was upset about instead of saying, that's your issue, babe.

You figure out how you're going to get happy about this.

Instead of me feeling like it was my job to change me to make him happy all the time.

And Sally said, I'm going to hold you to this kind of.

And she just kind of woke me up on that trip and I started...

I was at a place where I was realizing that I needed to make some changes.

Now my two youngest boys were now teenagers.

And I was back to feeling like, okay, who am I?

I don't have to be a full-time mom.

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