Hi, I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

And I'm Sasha Ayyad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

And this is Gender, a wider lens, a podcast dedicated to the shifting concepts around gender in our contemporary culture.

Through in-depth interviews, personal stories, and psychological exploration, we seek to open up the discourse around this hot button issue.

Join us as we look at gender from a wider lens.

Hey Stella.

How's it going Sasha? How's life? Life is good. I feel very enriched and

more much more knowledgeable after this conversation with Elaine today. I mean it was

really informative. Yeah you think you know you think you know your stuff about gender and then

week in week up but this week we went to a very specific point

which was the impact of testosterone on the woman's

pelvic area?

Like what do we call it that?

I would say the whole body.

I mean on the woman's system, on the female system.

And Elaine Miller is a physiotherapist and she specializes in pelvic health.

And like, you know, that's such a kind of vague term, at least to me, because I started off by asking well what does this even mean right but what we discovered were some really remarkable things that if you are a therapist if you are a parent if you're a dysphoric person considering taking testosterone

if you are a physician

because the research in this area is so paltry

and sometimes kind of got a political leaning behind it, it's hard to know the facts on the ground.

And what Elaine does for us today is explains in very clear language that is biologically accurate but not kind of

catastrophizing. She just explains the facts of what happens when we put a female system on the Yeah, we learn the inevitability of incontinence that follows prolonged testosterone news.

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