175: Diagonalism (w/William Callison and Quinn Slobodian)

Conspirituality

Derek Beres, Matthew Remski, Julian Walker

Spirituality, Social Sciences, Religion & Spirituality, Science, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.2 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 12 October 2023

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Quinn Slobodian teaches Modern German History at Wellesley and William Callison teaches Political Theory and Human Geography at Uppsala. We first came across their work via Naomi Klein’s examination of the clusterf&cked politics that dominate the movements we cover. We dug out their paper, and they had us at this: "At the extreme end, diagonal movements share a conviction that all power is conspiracy." There no clear left-right polarity in conspirituality. And Horseshoe Theory won’t cut it. We’re in the age of Diagonalism, and things are very, very weird. Sign up today at butcherbox.com/CONSPIRITUALITY and use code CONSPIRITUALITY to receive ground beef for life plus $20 off your first order. Show Notes Coronapolitics from the Reichstag to the Capitol - Boston Review William Callison Quinn Slobodian Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello, everyone. Welcome to Conspirituality Podcast, where we investigate the intersection
0:17.0	of conspiracy theories and spiritual influence to uncover cults, pseudoscience, and authoritarian
0:23.5	extremism. In all its forms, I'm Matthew Remsky.
0:27.2	I'm Julian Walker.
0:28.3	I'm Quinn Slobodeum, and I'm William Callison.
0:30.9	Welcome to Quinn and William. We'll get to your bios in a moment, but now we'd like to
0:36.0	tell everybody that we are on Instagram at ConspiritualityPod. And you can access our Monday
0:41.9	bonus episodes through Patreon or through the Apple Subscriptions service. And a little
0:47.7	reminder for you that our book Conspirituality, how New Age Conspiracy theories became a
0:52.7	health threat is now out in print, e-book, and audiobook form narrated by yours truly.
0:59.2	And if you've read it or listened to it, and you feel so moved, please review it.
1:12.3	Conspirituality 175 Diagonalism with William Callison and Quinn Slobodeum.
1:20.9	Thanks so much for joining us today, Quinn, your professor of modern German history at Wellesley
1:25.5	and William, your political theorist, and a researcher in human geography at Uppsala University.
1:31.9	Your work together has very interesting implications for how we think about the figures we study
1:36.9	in this podcast. I'm thinking about people like JP Sears, who travels from being a very
1:41.4	New Agey pro-choice emotional healing coach to becoming a transphobic mage gun nut.
1:47.2	And Christiane Northrup, who took this pandemic arc from Oprah endorsed feminist doctor to
1:52.8	becoming a QAnon booster, who fantasizes about killing vaccine doctors.
1:57.2	You know, there's lots of characters that we cover, and you know, we're going to be asking you
2:02.3	about why you use the term diagonalism to describe their politics. But just to go into a little bit
2:10.0	more of a detail here with a portrait, we cover a guy named Mickey Willis. He's kind of our
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