This is Jonathan Pajou.

I'm really excited.

Jonathan,

well,

that's great to meet you.

Yeah,

it's great to meet you.

I'm so happy man you here.

So I figured that a place I'd love to start this conversation is a few months back,

we had Douglas Murray on the show.

And when he was on the show, he talked about how in the modern age, we've really pushed

forward, say, science and religion.

And he talked about these kinds of collapse of grand narratives.

In particular, religion he mentioned was one.

And he sort of mentioned this kind of push towards secularism, almost.

So I would just have to just start with a broad question and say if it, let's say in the last

hundred years that religion has kind of taken a backseat to say science and religion,

how do you analyze where we are as a society right now? Like how do you analyze where things

are right now? Well, I think that I could say,

this is going to sound dramatic, but I think we're at the end of something. There are certain

ways to understand when you come to the end of a story, let's say, or the end of a pattern. And it

seems like we're at the end of some pattern. We're in a crisis maybe is the best way to understand it.

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