The last thing in the world that I'm interested in is getting into confrontations and

extended debate.

I realize that by putting this out on the internet, I kind of like open ourselves up to that.

I'm really not interested in getting into debates with people.

I'm really interested in speaking to our listeners, people, you know, part of our community.

And I feel, I think you both, both you and I feel

a certain responsibility to do that. It's just, we can't just ignore this because it is on a lot of

people's minds. And I also want to say this, the problem with these kind of conflicts, what gets

them stuck is that people on either side tend to demonize the people

that are on the other side.

And they assume the worst in them.

They assume the worst motives.

You know, one side is assuming that anybody that is opposed to women serving as initiating

gurus is, you know, just like a complete misogynist.

And that's the entire motive for their position.

And then on the other side, they're looking back the other way and saying, these are people

that don't understand our tradition at all.

They just have these woke values and they're just, you know,

they don't take Shastra seriously. They don't take tradition seriously. I don't think that's true

either. And when we kind of put each other in these boxes and don't really try to hear one another,

don't really try to understand one another's concerns, you get stuck. And so the last thing I want to do is to contribute to that kind of thing.

I definitely land on one side of it.

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