#173 - Liberman - We’re Training AI to Get Rid Of Us
The Peter McCormack Show
Peter McCormack
4.7 • 2.8K Ratings
🗓️ 8 May 2026
⏱️ 122 minutes
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Summary
Two brothers who escaped Russia say we have 2 years before AI replaces us - and we're paying the corporations building it.
Daniil & David Liberman sold their first company to Snapchat. Now they're racing to build a decentralised alternative to OpenAI and Google before the window closes. They explain why centralised AI ends in a two-tier world - a small elite with access, and the rest of us as "moving parts" - and why the next 24 months decide which path we take.
In this episode:
→ Why you can't opt out of AI and stay competitive
→ The recursive loop: AI is now writing AI
→ Why the kill switch won't work
→ What they saw inside Russia in 2008 that's happening now with AI
→ The darkest scenario they almost didn't want to say out loud
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 - AI & Human Freedom
00:01:51 - Invisible Slavery
00:05:00 - Bitcoin vs AI Centralisation
00:10:25 - AI Addiction Begins
00:14:27 - The End Of Upward Mobility
00:17:33 - The Beautiful AI Future
00:23:16 - Why Monopolies Win
00:32:36 - Inflation, AI & Collapse
00:45:16 - Bitcoin As AI Blueprint
01:01:45 - The Mythos Fear
01:17:48 - “One Year Left”
01:43:05 - The Darkest Scenario
01:58:13 - Racing Towards The Wall
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| 0:00.0 | If AI this infrastructure will be controlled by just few corporations or few governments, then we can see really bad scenarios. |
| 0:11.8 | It's not even a slavery. We're not going to even know it's a slavery. |
| 0:15.0 | Milicious actor. So someone who actually want to manipulate your opinion or your freedom of thinking around any particular |
| 0:21.5 | subject, that's it. |
| 0:23.7 | They own you. |
| 0:24.7 | We all understand they will replace us and yet we keep paying them for them to replace us. |
| 0:30.0 | And in this world, we're all losing the jobs and we're all the moving part. |
| 0:34.2 | We maybe have one year, two years. |
| 0:47.8 | And then it will be too late. Currently we're racing towards the wall, towards a really bad outcome. |
| 0:53.4 | Racing. What is the darkest scenario that you almost don't want to say out loud. |
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| 1:21.4 | All right, morning, guys. Good morning. Very, very excited to talk to you. We've been planning this a little |
| 1:26.4 | a while. So look, I've been thinking about AI a lot. I'm using it a lot, and I'm trying to consider what it means for the future of the planet we live on, especially the world my kids are growing up in. And if AI becomes the infrastructure, or part of the infrastructure for everything, electricity, the grid, the internet, money, |
| 1:47.4 | what happens to human freedom if we can't live outside of it? |
| 1:53.3 | This question, the answer really depends on how we will build this infrastructure. |
| 2:01.2 | So if this infrastructure will be equally accessible |
| 2:04.9 | to everyone on Earth, then... |
| 2:08.8 | It's just increasing the freedom. |
| 2:10.8 | If it's opposite, it's a complete opposite. |
| 2:14.0 | So it's like, it's not even a slavery. |
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