Hello and thank you for listening to the Squiggly Careers podcast.

I'm Sarah Ellis, one of your hosts and welcome to our Ask the Expert second series.

The idea of these conversations is to continue exploring specific skills that we really hope will help us all as we continue to navigate our careers and a world of work that has got

a whole lot squigglyer in 2020. This episode focuses on experimentation and I talk to the author of a

brilliant book called Range, David Epstein. David is someone whose work I personally really admire

so I was delighted when he agreed to come on the

podcast. And in our conversation together, I found him to be exceptionally considered,

articulate and insightful in his perspective and ideas. So I really hope you enjoy today's

conversation and find it really useful. And just before we get started, thank you to the

Bupa Foundation for continuing

to support our Ask the Expert series. We wouldn't be able to bring these conversations to you

if it wasn't for their support. They're a charity with a brilliant purpose to help people live

longer, happier and healthier lives. And if you want a new listen to add to your podcast list,

I'd really recommend a series that

they've just launched called Resilience Brilliant. And their podcast features stories of resilience

from everyday people achieving extraordinary things and they're such a heartwarming listen.

So perhaps add that to your list if you get a moment this week. So let's get started with

my conversation

with David and I'll be back at the end to let you know who's coming up next.

So David, thank you so much for joining us on the Squiggly Careers podcast today.

Thank you so much for having me. And I'd like to jump right in and start by discussing

success. When we think about success in lots of walks of life, perhaps historically, we really

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