Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories podcast. I am one of your hosts for today John DeLin.

It is January 23rd, 2023 and as always I'm excited to have in studio with us

Carabérel otherwise known as Noan So hey Cara.

I love being here. Thanks for having me.

Welcome back. Thanks.

Yeah, we're here in January bringing you another John Larson episode.

For those who don't know John Larson is a podcast legend within the Mormon and next Mormon spaces.

He was a host of Mormon expression podcast for a long, long time.

Thanks to your donations at morhamstories.org slash Mormon expression.

We are able to raise enough money to pay Johnny Care each month to come on once,

to address a topic of John's choosing and we were able to put back up the Mormon expression

catalog on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. So you can hear I don't know, some like 300 amazing

episodes of John and various panels over the years. Today the topic is going to be,

why don't more Mormons who doubt or question their faith just leave? I think we might be dealing with

the trope that often believing Mormons throw at critical or questioning Mormons which is,

you know, you can leave the church but you can't leave it alone. I think that's what we're going to

be talking about but that's really up to our guest for the evening John Larson. Hey John,

welcome back to Mormon stories. Hey everybody. How's the New Year treating you so far?

Good. I like the introduction. I'm like the foghorn, laghorn of ex-mormon podcast stories.

And why does Cara get a nickname? I'm like un-newanced ho. I got a hard R in there. I'm

un-newanced ho. Can it be bro instead of ho? That's who I stole it from. The YouTuber named

New Ones bro. Yeah, how about un-new ones bro? Should that be it? No? All right, that doesn't,

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