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Creating things ethically, creating things slowly is such a compelling story.

And if you can tell the story of how this, you know, being a part of this, this weaving

collective is changing this community's life.

How much more would you want to buy into that than just saying like, oh, here's some cool

guy in Europe who like designed this pair of

pants. That was Whitney Bauk, the associate editor of fashionista, who is making her second

appearance on Green Dreamer in this episode. She was previously in episode 129 if you'd like to go

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