Hello everybody, first of all I apologize for the fact that it sounds like I'm

speaking to you from a train. The reality is I am speaking to you on a train

and I'm doing this because I completely forgot to record this intro yesterday

before I got on the train and claimed to London and Clay's gonna kill me if I

don't get it over to him this morning quite rightly. So sorry to Clay, sorry to

all of you that there's a bit of background noise and I hope you'll forgive me

it'll only go on for a couple of minutes. So right now I'm on my way to London to

get my visa from the Egyptian Consulate so that I get a COP27 in a few

weeks time feeling fairly anxious about what that cop is gonna deliver but I

hope for the many of the brilliant people who are working on it will do

what they always do and deliver something effective but it's gonna be tight

and there's a lot of anxiety around that outcome. So in the lead up to that

moment we wanted to bring you a bit of a different experience right this

week an opportunity to sit back and take a deep breath and what we are bringing

you is a quite fascinating conversation with a completely brilliant man and

we've done it in a totally new way so give me a minute to just explain it. First

of all the person on the podcast is called Satish Kumar. Satish is a very old

friend of mine I've known him for probably thank you probably 20 years. He's an

Indian by birth and he has probably the most remarkable life story of anyone

I've ever met he was a Jane monk he ordained when he was nine years old lived

in a monastery in southern India and then when he was in his 20s he became

extremely concerned about nuclear the threat of nuclear Armageddon as many of us

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