Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. As always, I'm here with my producer, Jason

DeFilippo. Right now, more than ever, we're hearing about fake news. What we're not

necessarily hearing about though, is how our own cognitive bias is at work and what causes

rifts in the American and Western populations. Our guest today, Clinton Watts, he chases

terrorists online. We'll hear firsthand how the enemies such as ISIS uses social media

for propaganda and recruiting. We'll learn why the government can't, even with all its

resources, beat rag tags, Somali Twitter users, and ISIS shills. Also, Clinton will show

us how and why bias and what types create social media bubbles, what those bubbles do, and

how we can fix this issue, or at least try to mitigate it for ourselves. So these rifts

and differences in the way we think and feel might not just be the result of using social

media, but could indeed be the result of a sustained attack on the way we as Americans

and Westerners think. In fact, we are likely being deliberately targeted by state actors

in order to weaken our democracy and adversely affect our way of life. If you want to know

how we manage to book all these amazing personalities on the show, I've got a network that goes

for days. I use systems and tiny habits and I would love to teach you how I do this for

free. I've got a course called six minute networking over at Jordan Harbinger.com slash

course. Now enjoy this episode with Clinton Watts.

We were talking pre show about Sharon Leneer and how essentially social media and online

systems are often designed to sort of, they're optimized for control or almost like insidious

persuasion. And I know that that layers over what you do at least to some extent. Can you

tell us essentially I would say you chase terrorists online, but there's more to it.

Yeah, the idea of social media and why it's such an efficient way for good people or

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