If you were to ask anybody today, why are we building temples?

I'm not sure that anybody would give you that response.

You struck on such a rich vein of material that I wish I would have thought of it.

What is the end game then in Joseph's mind that all of these ordinances are arcing toward?

We're all going to be bound together in ways that can't be broken.

We're going to constitute the structure of heaven. You're saying heaven is relationships. It's all relational. Yeah. I mean, for me, one of the most

important things you can do on the Sabbath isn't necessarily take the sacrament of the bread and

water, but it's handing the tray to somebody else so that they can. Hello, Scott. Hello, Casey.

Welcome to another Voices of the Restoration bonus episode.

Yes, this one focuses on baptisms for the dead, but I think we're going to call it Navu ordinances,

like the, what's the B.H. Roberts phrase, like his chapter's titled, Doctrinal Developments in Navu.

And I've always sort of loved that as like a broad description to say, there's a lot going on here. And Baptisms for the Dead is is the one that is most based in the doctrine and covenants. But we're going to start with that and then expand outwards because we have an amazing guest with us today. Jonathan Stapley is here. Yeah, it's good to be here. So excited to have you with us,

man. You just had a new book come out like, I think, yesterday as of the recording. And it's all

about the temple. It's called Holiness to the Lord Latter-day Saint Temple Worship. How are you feeling

about that book and its reception so far? It's been exciting. It's great to have it out. I guess the press

underestimated the demand, so there are no copies anywhere, apparently. I bought it on Kindle,

and it was a good deal. And if you need a physical book, it'll be coming, but you can get it in

an e-format right now, and it's well worth your time. And Jonathan, I've got to say, like,

I envy you because you struck on such a rich vein of material that I wish I would have thought

of it, but your work is primarily the history of ordinances in the church, which I can't

believe, like, nobody has really focused on this very much up until now because it's such a big part of

what we do and what brings us together and what really makes us a people yeah I mean for me it was

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