You know, you'll see a lot of kids come in who had releases done in like in the first three years of life and they have these issues.

And so then you have to ask yourself, well, is that really what we're dealing with here.

Welcome back to the freely rooted podcast guys.

I am your host Corey and unfortunately,

my co-host had to sit this interview out. your host

had to sit this interview out.

But for this episode, I interviewed one of the wisest women I have ever come into contact with.

And this intro is actually really important to me that I express a few things so I encourage you to listen to it in its entirety before diving into kind of the meat and the potatoes of the episode.

But first, a little fun fact about culture in Hawaii, here on the islands out of kind of endearment and respect, you call those who are a little bit older and a little bit wiser than you, your uncles and aunties. It's very familial, it's really beautiful, and I think of

Michelle who's coming on this podcast for our episode today as this really wise auntie full of ancestral and ancient and traditional knowledge that I feel like I would have learned in a pre-industrial world from you know mothers and grandmothers and communities of women and I think a lot of you

listening to this will feel the exact same way it's such an honor whenever Michelle

gets to come into a room and speak people hold her words with such like respect. And I'm just so excited for her to be here today.

So this topic that we're covering is the bigger picture of tongue ties. We are seeing tongue tie and oral tie diagnoses

left and right.

And the allopathic way, as you guys know,

of dealing with a diagnosis is what we are largely seeing today.

So if there's a tie, you cut the tie, you laser the tie,

you get rid of the tie, right?

But Michelle was the first person in my life

that introduced me to the bigger picture.

We all have Ferna, and Michelle

will talk about this in the episode today,

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