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Flipping Tables

17. Queer & Christian with Brandan Robertson

Flipping Tables

Monte Mader

Society & Culture

5626 Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Across platforms the most common question I get is "What does the Bible say about homosexuality and trans people?" Christian nationalists main talking point is a direct opposition to gay rights. But does the Bible really say that?


Today we meet with pastor and theologian Brandan Robertson to talk about that, break down the "gotcha" passages of the Bible and see what it really says. It turns out, there's space at the table for everyone.


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0:00.0

The following content may be disturbing for some viewers.

0:03.0

The pastors at Steadfast Baptist Church, now based in Wittaga, have a history of anti-gay rhetoric.

0:10.0

And that continued on Sunday when Pastor Dylan Oz gave a statement calling for the execution of gay people.

0:16.0

This is audio from part of that sermon.

0:18.0

They should be convicted in a lawful trial.

0:22.4

They should be sentenced with death.

0:25.6

They should be lined up against the wall and shot in the back of the head.

0:27.3

That's what God teaches.

0:34.7

Protesters showed up outside the church, including a mom who told our partners at the Fort Worth Star Telegram that the message is dangerous.

0:40.1

I am a mom of a kid from the LGBTQ community, and I am not going to stand for you wishing death upon my kid just because of who he is. Oz quoted scripture, but Pastor

0:47.3

Rachel Bachman of Oakland United Methodist Church says his message contradicts the teachings of Christianity.

0:53.3

The gospel message is love and not hate.

0:56.8

The real atrocity in what is happening in this pastor's sermon and what is being now,

1:02.8

you know, propagated to the rest of the community is that it's a message of hate.

1:08.7

There is nothing that stands for hate in our Christian gospel.

1:13.5

What Tagga police say they've received multiple complaints from citizens but say they can't do much

1:17.4

about it. They say the language used by the pastor of the church is likely to be offensive to many

1:23.0

people. However, at this time, the reported language of the sermon appears to be constitutionally protected free speech.

1:30.5

Attorney Eric Zadillo says while the pastor's words are disturbing, that type of speech is protected under the First Amendment because it's not an immediate specific threat.

1:39.8

It's not specific. It's not something that is immediate. So it's a situation where that may be protected, and I think their interpretation is a relatively

1:49.0

reasonable one.

1:50.0

The church issued a statement saying they've been vandalized and received multiple death threats

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