I'm Kimberly Atkins store and this is Justice by Design.

So it has been quite a week or so for everyone, for a nation.

An election was held after a, I guess, viciously battled election season, I guess is one way to put it.

And it's certainly one that was driven by more than just partisan divides.

And now we are still a nation.

We have to find a way to move forward.

And that may seem like a big order. But one place that I like to take solace in is the knowledge that history has a lot to teach us. And I frequently turn to it in trying to figure out what to learn about the moment that we're in. And so this week, to help me do that,

I am so honored to be joined by a historian Lindsay Trevinsky. Lindsay, thank you so much for

joining me today. Oh, thank you so much for having me. I'm so looking forward to chatting with you.

So before we get started in our chat, tell us a little bit

about yourself and what you do. So I am the executive director of the George Washington

Presidential Library at Mount Vernon. I'm a presidential historian, and I'm the author of a couple of books,

most recently being making the presidency, John Adams, and the precedents that forged the Republic.

And one of the things I love so much about you is I've heard you speak wonderfully about the Adams' presidential historic site.

I used to live in Quincy, Massachusetts.

And I used to walk there and just love on that place. And it's just like, have you guys ever been to, you know, stay in my friends and stuff? And I know it's a place that you also geek out about. So, you know, that's how I knew. It is. We were meant to be, we were meant to be buddies. Yes. Yes. Well, I think, you know, I think historic sites are so helpful because

they help us to see people from the past in 3D. And oftentimes when we just read about them,

even if we have really great imaginations, it can be hard to fully understand how they lived. And so

space really gives us a sense of like, what were they seen on a day to day basis? What were

their views from their

window? What sense did they experience? And Adams' presidential site is such a great example

because they had wisteria out the front door. So you know that like they were smelling wisteria.

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