Welcome to another episode of the Restless Policies Leading with me, Anastacamble.

And with me, Rory Stewart. And me, Gerry Adams.

Well, thank you for introducing yourself.

And let me say, Gerry Adams, let's describe Gerry Adams.

I think Gerry Adams, to some, a heroic freedom fighter leading his country to unity and peace and prosperity,

others a figure of hate, and seen as a man of terror and violence.

To me, the guy that I saw very, very, very often in close proximity, particularly with Tony Blair and Bertie Henry,

who we've just bumped into, and an integral part of what became the peace process and the Israeli agreement.

So something of anigma.

It was only because we persuaded you and your government to embrace peace.

And when Mr. Blair changed British government policy to actually talking to Shinfian Imagine,

I just imagine that the British government wouldn't talk to a person who adamanted as an MP leading a political party,

which had a declared publicized peace object.

But you moved before that, in a sense.

Of course, we did. But you can only move so far, and then furnace to you, and Jonathan, and relatively to Tony.

It was only when you commenced that big majority, and the new government, and new kids in the block,

that you turned things the way they were turned.

So you talked to my predecessor, a member of Parliament, Penrod and Board of Willy White Law,

I guess, back in the 70s.

That's a long time ago.

Do you remember him?

I do remember him.

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