1697: Thriving in Love after Mormonism - Gary & Ernie
Mormon Stories Podcast
Dr. John Dehlin
4.6 • 5.2K Ratings
🗓️ 23 November 2022
⏱️ 231 minutes
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Summary
Content Warning: Suicidal Ideation
Gary and Ernie were both raised members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They only had one major problem - they were gay. While Ernie tried marrying a woman and having children to "make the gay go away," Gary pursued graduate school, tried to date women, and eventually pursued a life of celibacy. At some point, both of their lives broke down.
Join us today for a true love story for the ages - how Gary and Ernie found love together, and how they are thriving today.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories podcast. I am one of your hosts for today. |
| 0:06.1 | John Delin, it is September 13th, |
| 0:08.9 | 2022 and I am so honored to have the wise, the brilliant and the lovely |
| 0:15.5 | Margie Delin in the house as my co-host for today. |
| 0:18.1 | Oh, I'm excited for this one. Yeah, so happy to be here. You kind of produce this when you kind of set this one up. |
| 0:23.8 | That's right. Yeah. |
| 0:25.3 | And this is a couple that I have been wanting to interview for a very, very long time. |
| 0:32.2 | Today we have in the studio the official guncles of Zelf on the shelf. |
| 0:38.0 | We have Gary Horlocker and Ernie Horseman's off. Hey guys. Hey John. It's Gary Ernie. |
| 0:44.2 | Yep. Not Burton Ernie. Gary and Ernie. Gary Ernie. |
| 0:47.9 | That's right. But when people call me Gary, I don't correct him. He's really smart. |
| 0:52.2 | Yeah. Gary and Ernie are in the house. And for those of you who are post Mormons here kind of along the |
| 0:59.9 | Wasatch front, if you've attended any Mike karaoke events, if you have attended many thrive or Mormon stories, |
| 1:07.4 | workshops or retreats, you would have bumped into Gary and Ernie at some point. |
| 1:12.1 | They're much beloved. They've also been involved in Mocha or Coca, |
| 1:18.3 | which are kind of ancillary groups of the women's of a certain age community. |
| 1:22.8 | But they're just, they're a beloved couple here along the Wasatch front. |
| 1:27.2 | And they've been dear friends of mine in one way or another. |
| 1:31.4 | I mean, you could even say since 2004, actually in one way that will explain maybe in a bit. |
| 1:39.6 | But today we are going to be kind of telling a love story. |
| 1:43.2 | And the main theme of today is can let's just say you're living the Mormon dream or the Mormon nightmare or something in between. |
| 1:52.1 | And it all kind of falls apart. And you may be not in a relationship or you may be in a relationship that falls apart. |
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