And this is Job, Michael's oldest brother.

So, this is the magic trick, huh?

Illusion, Michael.

The trick is something a whore does for money. You have no idea how often people have quoted that line back.

I don't think it's quite once a day for the last decade, but it's on that level.

Okay guys welcome.

Okay guys welcome back to the Grand America Show. We are going to be chatting with Nate Stanforth a little bit later about real magic and magicians and all sorts of fun stuff like that.

So, first, as always.

I can't say nothing. I'm at a loss I haven't seen supertroopers done off.

Hey buddy.

How's it going?

Good. I don't know if we should say listeners might get the wrong idea with real magic

because it's like not real magic as an

occult magic he's like magician like David Blaine style magic actually he worked with

Blaine for a while so it's not real magic it's illusions well it's real magic he admits himself that he's not doing magic. Well that's what they call

it though, these guys, it's magic. These guys, these magicians. Yeah, these

real illusionists like you said, yeah.

Illusionists.

Yeah.

I don't think we mentioned the term illusionist with him,

though, but it's pretty fascinating chat.

He's got lots of YouTube videos and he's talking about the sense of

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