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The Michael Shermer Show

169. Jeff Hawkins β€” A Thousand Brains: A New Theory of Intelligence

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4 β€’ 921 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 3 April 2021

⏱️ 107 minutes

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Summary

Michael Shermer speaks with Jeff Hawkins, cofounder of Numenta: a neuroscience research company, about his new book A Thousand Brains: A New Theory of Intelligence in which Hawkins explains how simple cells in the brain create intelligence by using maplike structures to build hundreds of thousands of models of everything we know. Listen to this in-depth dialogue about the discoveries that allow Hawkins to answer important questions about how we perceive the world, why we have a sense of self, and the origin of high-level thought.

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0:00.0

You're listening to the Michael Sherman Show.

0:10.0

Today's guest is Jeff Huckins. His new book is A Thousand Brains. A new theory of

0:16.2

intelligence, beautiful forward by Richard Dawkins, which he reads in the audio

0:20.0

version, which is nice. Jeff is the co-founder of New Menta, a neuroscience research

0:25.0

company. He's the founder of Redwood Neuroscience Institute and one of the

0:29.1

founders of the field of handheld computing. He's a member of the National Academy of Engineering and author of a book called

0:36.0

On Intelligence. He's also a trained neuroscientist and so his book is a nice combination of technical neuroscience, how neurons work and how they

0:45.4

scale up into these columns and how the columns scale up into neural networks and modules

0:50.0

in the brain and then how the brain scales up to a whole sense of self and so we delve

0:55.0

into all that that takes probably an hour just explaining all of that because he

0:58.6

has his particular theory of the neo-courtex is the key to higher intelligence,

1:03.7

and that there's no central room in our brains. Instead, he says that our perception is a consensus

1:08.9

which the columns reach by voting, essentially by firing or not firing, and all these synaptic connections

1:14.5

build up or they don't. And that within columns, indeed within the neurons,

1:18.2

predictions are made and depending on how successful the predictions are, the

1:22.2

neurons will vote for their version of events.

1:24.5

So then we get into that, into from there, the grandmother cell, the Jennifer Aniston cell or

1:29.8

whatever you want to call it.

1:31.7

And to what extent our perceptions are veridical,

1:33.8

that is do we really have an accurate understanding

1:36.2

of the world, or is it just for survival,

1:39.1

and that's very species specific.

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