169. Decoding the World’s First Writing
People I (Mostly) Admire
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🗓️ 25 October 2025
⏱️ 50 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | When I say the word cuneiform, what comes to mind? |
| 0:08.8 | If you're like me, the answer is not much. |
| 0:12.4 | But my guest today, Irving Finkel, is trying to change that. |
| 0:15.8 | He's a curator in the Department of the Middle East at the British Museum, |
| 0:19.6 | where he's worked for over 45 years. |
| 0:21.9 | He's responsible for the museum's collection of roughly 130,000 clay tablets engraved with |
| 0:27.4 | Cuneiform, the oldest writing system in the world. |
| 0:30.8 | Once you give up six or seven years of your life to learn Cuneiform, everything changes. |
| 0:35.6 | Your daily life is full of throb and excitement, money, |
| 0:39.2 | women, cars, everything you could ever ask for. It's just the most fantastic career, and nobody does |
| 0:45.2 | it, apart from a few decrepit nerds like myself. Welcome to people I mostlyire with Steve Levitt. |
| 0:56.4 | Is there anything useful that we can learn from these writings from thousands of years ago? |
| 1:01.1 | That's what I hope to find out today. |
| 1:03.0 | But first, I asked Irving for a crash course on Cuneoform. |
| 1:19.1 | As far as we know, Cuneiform writing is the oldest writing that appeared on the face of the globe. |
| 1:21.8 | At least it is the oldest one we know about. |
| 1:28.4 | And the landscape in which it appeared is ancient Iraq, what the Greeks called Mesopotamia. |
| 1:32.9 | And Mesopotamia, of course, means between the rivers, |
| 1:36.5 | because the landscape has the Euphrates and Tigris rivers, |
| 1:39.2 | which characterises the heartland. |
| 1:43.9 | And that is where, archaeologically speaking, we find the first evidence for writing. |
| 1:50.6 | So cuneiform is something that most normal civilised people have no encounter with in the course of their lives. |
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