Welcome to episode 168 of the first 40 miles.

If you're new to backpacking, or if you're hopelessly in love with someone who wants you to love

backpacking, then this podcast is for you.

We'll talk about the essentials,

how to lighten your load, and how to make the most

of your time on the trail.

I'm your host Heather Legler.

And I'm Josh Legler.

And this is the first 40 miles.

Today on the first 40 miles, if you're trying to get your pack weight down, but the numbers

just don't want to budge, we have a new challenge for you.

Reduce your volume.

We'll share five ways to take up less space.

For today's summit gear review,

would you trust a stuff sack made of tissue paper?

For the same weight will give you a much better option.

Then a quick hack that will help you streamline your bathroom time.

All this, and that's about it, today on the first 40 miles.

We talk about pack weight a lot on our show,

and it can be something that people obsess over.

You know, getting down from 40 pounds to 30 pounds to 25

pounds and then having a base weight of 8 pounds, 6 pounds, you know there's just no end to how light you can go and what lengths you can go to to get down to the lowest weight possible.

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