Well, to quote Edmund Hillary, Tim, I knocked the bastard off.

Really? Is that a direct quote? Are you sure?

Yeah, I think when he first came down off Mount Everest and like, well, not off around Everest

altogether, but got down to the first camp where his colleagues were, having done the

summit with Tenzing, he said, I think it was George he was speaking to. He said, well, George,

we knocked the bastard off to confirm he'd done it. He had a long time to plan those famous words,

like a long way up and a long way down. And that's what he came up with. Well, there's not a lot of oxygen up there. You're probably not thinking too clearly. That's one long, tedious climb for a man. That's... Well, look at Neil Armstrong. He had all that time as well, and he mucked up his line. He did too, yeah. But I summited Ben Nevis, the UK's highest peak for my charity fundraising climb. So it's actually the second time I've climbed it, but I climbed it when I was a lot younger and fit. This time I was not so young and fit. I was very ill prepared. And I'm going to be

honest, it was a bit of a struggle. I'm not surprised by that. Having looked up Ben Nevis now and

seen what a decent climate is, like I know you've been talking about it. And so in my mind,

I've kind of pictured something along the lines of the bluff in Victor Harbour here in South Australia,

where Tim and Brady Cave is. But having looked it up, that's a decent, a decent effort.

Like, I think you're a bit crazy to have tried that, but...

I mean, people who are fit and do hikes, you know, semi-regular. It's not difficult. I mean,

I was in a group of 10, and most of them, I would say, weren't massively challenged by it. But I was. How many hours? How long a climb is this? About seven, I think it was about four up and three down. And you're using your hands to climb, or is it more like bushwalking? No, no. No, more like bushwalking. You never have to, it's no technical climbing. I use sticks, and a lot of people use sticks to help out, you know, walking sticks. But no, it was never, you're never like, you know, pulling yourself up rocks or roping onto things or anything like that. It's, you can just do it as a solid hike, but it's properly uphill.

Before we get into the war stories, why is it called Ben Nevis?

Who is it named after?

Do you know what?

I didn't look that up.

It's a Scottish thing.

There's not a person called Ben Nevis.

Like, for example, the valley there is called Glenn Nevis.

So it's not named after a guy called Ben Nevis.

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