168. Chemistry, Evolved
People I (Mostly) Admire
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🗓️ 11 October 2025
⏱️ 57 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Humility is not a word you often associate with prominent scientists, but for my guest today, |
| 0:09.4 | Caltech professor Francis Arnold, it was humility that led her to the research that would win a Nobel |
| 0:14.9 | Prize in Chemistry. So for at least a couple of years I was doing what all the other monkeys were doing. |
| 0:21.4 | And then I realized that's not going to work. |
| 0:24.5 | I'm not going to solve any interesting problems. |
| 0:27.5 | I just don't have a chance here. |
| 0:29.7 | So I had to think of something different. |
| 0:35.5 | Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt. |
| 0:42.6 | While other scientists tried to manually manipulate the structure of enzymes to change the way they functioned, |
| 0:48.7 | Francis Arnold decided to let nature do the heavy lifting for her, pioneering a process called directed evolution. |
| 0:55.4 | We'll get deep into that eventually, but I started our conversation with two very basic |
| 0:59.6 | questions, what even are enzymes, and why are they important? |
| 1:09.5 | Everything in the biological world is made by these amazing molecular machines called enzymes. |
| 1:18.5 | They're just proteins, but these are magical proteins because they catalyze, they conduct the |
| 1:25.9 | transformation of simple materials into really complex materials like |
| 1:31.3 | trees or you or me. Enzymes are the basis of the formation of life. Now, what's strange is, |
| 1:40.7 | I'm an adult and I know a lot of things, but if you asked me to name enzymes, I know |
| 1:45.1 | exactly too, amylase and lactase. And that's partly because my dad was a gastroenterologist, |
| 1:49.5 | so he talked about the amount of time. Given the importance of enzymes, do you have a sense |
| 1:53.9 | of why they're almost invisible and unknown to regular people? They're actually not as invisible as you might seem to think. |
| 2:04.5 | Enzymes, for example, in your laundry detergents, take stains off of clothes. |
| 2:09.5 | They're even advertised on the bottles in some places. |
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