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People I (Mostly) Admire

168. Chemistry, Evolved

People I (Mostly) Admire

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4.62K Ratings

🗓️ 11 October 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Frances Arnold pioneered the process of directed evolution — mimicking natural selection to create new enzymes that have changed everything from agriculture to laundry.

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0:00.0

Humility is not a word you often associate with prominent scientists, but for my guest today,

0:09.4

Caltech professor Francis Arnold, it was humility that led her to the research that would win a Nobel

0:14.9

Prize in Chemistry. So for at least a couple of years I was doing what all the other monkeys were doing.

0:21.4

And then I realized that's not going to work.

0:24.5

I'm not going to solve any interesting problems.

0:27.5

I just don't have a chance here.

0:29.7

So I had to think of something different.

0:35.5

Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

0:42.6

While other scientists tried to manually manipulate the structure of enzymes to change the way they functioned,

0:48.7

Francis Arnold decided to let nature do the heavy lifting for her, pioneering a process called directed evolution.

0:55.4

We'll get deep into that eventually, but I started our conversation with two very basic

0:59.6

questions, what even are enzymes, and why are they important?

1:09.5

Everything in the biological world is made by these amazing molecular machines called enzymes.

1:18.5

They're just proteins, but these are magical proteins because they catalyze, they conduct the

1:25.9

transformation of simple materials into really complex materials like

1:31.3

trees or you or me. Enzymes are the basis of the formation of life. Now, what's strange is,

1:40.7

I'm an adult and I know a lot of things, but if you asked me to name enzymes, I know

1:45.1

exactly too, amylase and lactase. And that's partly because my dad was a gastroenterologist,

1:49.5

so he talked about the amount of time. Given the importance of enzymes, do you have a sense

1:53.9

of why they're almost invisible and unknown to regular people? They're actually not as invisible as you might seem to think.

2:04.5

Enzymes, for example, in your laundry detergents, take stains off of clothes.

2:09.5

They're even advertised on the bottles in some places.

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