The following is a conversation with Sagar Anjety.

He is a DC-based political correspondent,

host of the Rising with Crystal Ball,

and host of the Realignment podcast with Marshall Kuzlov.

He has interviewed Donald Trump four times,

and has interviewed a lot of major political figures

and human beings who wield power.

He loves policy and loves history,

which makes him a great person to sail

through the sometimes stormy waters of political discourse.

He showed up to this conversation with a gift

of the second volume of Ian Kershaw's biography on Hitler,

a two-volume set that is widely acknowledged as one of the greatest,

if not the greatest, most definitive studies of Hitler.

Nothing wins my heart faster on a first meeting

or a first date than a great book about the darkest aspects

of human nature and human history.

I think I started seeing that as a joke,

but actually there's probably a lot of truth to it.

I love it when we skip the small talk and go straight

to the in-depth conversation about the best

and worst of human nature.

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