wishing to please the crowd.

He released Barabbas, had Jesus scourged and crucified.

And I never want to be on Pilate's side.

But so much of Christendom seems to be going that direction,

that they are siding with the villain,

or the villains, as the case may be,

and they are turning their back on the Savior.

When I die,

I want to hear these words,

well done, good and faithful servant.

Welcome to the Elisa Childers podcast, where we equip Christians to identify the core beliefs of historic Christianity, discern its counterfeits, and proclaim the gospel with clarity, kindness, and truth.

And I'm here live in Cincinnati at the cross-examined instructor academy with Greg Kokel, the one and only.

So we are going to talk. I'm very excited for this conversation, Greg, because as you know, me and your colleague, Tim Barnett, are researching a book on the topic of deconstruction.

So it's something we're thinking a lot about.

But I think you, you've been in this

game a long time. A bit. Right. And in fact, we were talking and you have debated Deepak Topra.

A lot of people may not be aware of that. Michael Shermer, famous atheist, several others on various

college campuses. You have a radio ministry, a multimedia ministry, you've written amazing

books, best-selling books.

Thank you.

And so I just want to glean from your wisdom primarily when it comes to the topic of truth,

the nature of truth.

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