wishing to please the crowd. He released Barabbas, had Jesus scourged and crucified.

And I never want to be on pilot side. But so much of Christendom seems to be going

that direction that they are they are they are citing with the villain or the

villains as the case may be and they are turning their back on the Savior. When I die,

I want to hear these words well done, good and faithful servant.

Welcome to the Alisa Childers Podcast where we equip Christians to identify the core beliefs

of historic Christianity, discern its counterfeits and proclaim the gospel with clarity, kindness

and truth. And I'm here live in Cincinnati at the Cross Examant Instructor Academy with

Greg Cocoal, the one and only. So we're going to talk I'm very excited for this conversation

Greg because as you know me and your your colleague Tim Barnett are researching a book

on the topic of deconstruction. So it's something we're thinking a lot about. But I think you

you've been in this game a long time. Right. And in fact we were talking and you have

debated de Pactopra. A lot of people may not be aware of that. Michael Schurmer, famous

atheist, several others on various college campuses. You have a radio ministry, a multimedia

ministry, written amazing books, best selling books. And so I just want to glean from your

wisdom primarily when it comes to the topic of truth. The nature of truth. I think if

I'm not exaggerating, I don't think this is an exaggeration to say that our culture

has abandoned the idea of truth. Frank Beckwith and I wrote a book and those of the

year we got published here. I got married in 1998. So it's been a long time to almost

25 years. And it was called Relativeness. That's it. I mean not a fancy title, but I like

the subtitle, Feet firmly planted in mid-air. And it was appropriate because people who

are relativistic in their thinking that is they don't believe in truth or certain categories

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