Life gets a lot better when we get better at asking ourselves,

do I want to solve the problem or do I need to solve how I feel about the problem?

Sometimes we take the wrong action and I think that leads to tons of suffering.

Let's go. Go.

Welcome to Citizen.

We got a special guest today.

Amy Moore and you are an author of 13 things mentally strong people don't do.

And then you have a series after that as well of the same tone, right?

I think one that's about children, one's about couples,

stuff like that, am I right? You are correct. Book number six just came out.

Oh, wow, what's the sixth one? The sixth one is a couples one, 13 things mentally

strong couples don't do. Okay Okay well tell me what they are.

What the couples don't do? No let's start from the beginning actually. What's you're so let's just

talk about you a little bit. You're a psychotherapist, right?

Correct. So I started my career in rural Maine as a psychotherapist and thought I'd be sitting in an office doing therapy.

And then went through a series of losses in my own life.

My mom passed away, my husband died, my father-in-law passed away, lost a former foster child.

Like the list went on and on. I had a decade that I would never want to revisit, but the good thing, if anything good, came out of it, was I wrote myself a letter called

13 things mentally

strong people don't do and the list went viral and that's why I get to still

speak about mental strength today. Well sure it sounds like you've been through it. Can't let me ask how is psychotherapy in rural Maine?

So when I started it was 20 years ago I guess when I started doing it in rural Maine and things have changed a lot. I don't practice in Maine anymore and I live in South Florida, but things changed a lot in 20 years. I think the stigma of mental health

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