The Joe Rogan

Logan Experience

Train by day Joe Rogan Podcast all day. Very good to see you my friend. So it's so great to be here again.

Your tireless work has not gone unnoticed. I mean, I'm beyond thankful that you and maps are out there and that you've done this incredible job and we were just describing the genius of first doing it with people that no one can deny need help and like with

soldiers with PTSD using psychedelics to help them get over their horrible issues, that it's one of the best

ways to sort of ingratiate or let people know the powerful benefits of psychedelics and do it to people that you wouldn't expect to be connected with psychedelics ordinarily, right?

Well, the most unusual people are police officers, and so we've actually are police officers.

And so we've actually had police officers in our studies.

And we even have a police officer full time

who's also a psychotherapist.

And he's going through our program to learn how to give MDMA therapy to other police officers.

Wow.

And I met his police chief several times and persuaded and told them about our full training program.

And one of the steps is where we have a protocol from the FDA where therapists can

volunteer to receive MDMA themselves as part of the training and so the police chief gave his police officer permission to volunteer to take MDMA.

So we're actually helping give MDMA to police officers to give it to other police officers with trauma.

That would be amazing. You know what we really need to do?

Get it to prisoners.

Exactly, and prison guards. Yeah guards they're also very traumatized and so oh yeah I can imagine yeah there was a

35-year follow-up study I did to Timothy Leary when he was at Harvard he did the Concord Prison Experiment and

that was to give Silasibbon to prisoners who are getting ready to be released

and the goal was to see if they could produce pro-social experiences that would then help

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