Hello everyone and welcome to this very special edition of listening to America.

I'm Clay Jenkinson. I have the extraordinary pleasure of actually being in the same space as Dr.

Lindsay Chavinsky. We've known each other now for five years. We've done probably 50 or more programs together.

We have talked all that time. One of these days we'll meet, we'll have dinner, I'll come to Washington,

you'll come somewhere.

Of course she's not coming to North Dakota,

but that's fine, she has standards,

but we'll meet and we'll have dinner

and we'll make plans and so on.

And so I'm so glad that you're here, Dr. Chavinsky.

I am thrilled to be here, and I will go to North Dakota we just agreed

it made more sense to wait for the three Theodore Roosevelt Library to open

and to go someplace where there might be an audience helpful helpful so I want to

say something about we're gonna do ten things about the American Revolution yes

you nominate ten subjects I nominate ten propositions we work that out all right

but here's why I love working with Lindsay.

So there's a generational difference. I'm much older than Lindsay.

And it's not just about age, it's about different ways of seeing American history.

When I was going through my training, for example, Thomas Jefferson was riding high.

He was the founding father, and even on the question of slavery,

he was kind of given a pass.

And historians, there was kind of a Jefferson junta, Dumas Malone,

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