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Hello, and welcome to the B-side for episode 1648 of our national conversation about

conversations about race. The End of Identity Politics? I'm Baratune Day Thurston, author of How to Be Black,

and joining us, some of my best friends are black author, Tanner Colby. Hello, Tanner.

Hello, Mr. Thurston. It is a pleasure to have you. It's good to be back in temporary

driver's seat here while our good friend Anna Holmes is on vacation, yes? Sick and on vacation, both at the same time.

That's a terrible combination.

You're going to be sick while you have to work.

On vacation when you're feeling fine.

So wishing you the best, Anna, also in studio with a Sarah Jones social media editor at TNR,

the New Republic.

Welcome to the show, Sarah.

Hi, thanks for having me. Thank you for being here.

And rounding out our spectrum is Latoya Peterson, deputy editor for digital innovation at ESPN.

Good to have you back with us, Latoya. Thank you. Good to be that. And where are you back with us from?

Today, it's Arizona. At this point, it it's gonna be like a running gag I'm sorry

It is it is like where in the world is are you on the run?

Latoya Peterson like are you trying to tell us something? Hmm don't you want to know that you can't say with words

I think the next time you're on the show like once we get a a third location, we can triangulate what's really going on here.

So listen, our last episode, we talked about identity politics, quote, unquote, and whether it was even possible to avoid them or what even they are.

Also, how Trump's campaign exploited them.

Here's our producer, A.C. Valdez, with some of what y'all had to say about that and more, AC.

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