Good day, friends and fans of listening to America with Clay Jenkinson. My name is Nolan Johnson,

occasional guest host on the program. Today, Clay has asked me to invite you to the Lewis and Clark

Airstream Journey launch event at Thomas Jefferson's Poplar Forest in Lynchburg, Virginia at 2 p.m.

on Tuesday, May 6th. You'll pay a $26-dollar entrance fee that goes to Poplar Forest,

where Clay will make some remarks about Jefferson and Lewis and Clark, and then we'll all have

a potluck picnic nearby. This is your opportunity to see the fabled airstream, Rosanante,

and spend an afternoon with Clay as he begins his transcontinental epic trek.

For more information, go to listening to America.org.

On today's episode of Listening to America with Clay Jenkinson, The Future of the Public

Lands. Clay interviews Walt Dabney, who worked for over 30 years in the National Park System,

including serving as America's Chief Ranger for five and a half years in Washington, D.C.

Mr. Dabney is lecturing around the country about the threat to public lands

for those who would return them to the states or privatize them altogether.

Mr. Dabney refutes three myths about public lands. would return them to the states or privatize them altogether.

Mr. Dabney refutes three myths about public lands.

First, that the U.S. government has no right to own property.

Second, that the U.S. government retains public domain for nefarious reasons.

And third, that individual states were promised at the time of their statehood that public land would be deeded over to them.

All demonstrably untrue, says Walt Dabney.

Although he's worried about current moves to reduce the size of national monuments and allow greater resource extraction on public lands,

Mr. Dabney believes that the public will rally to protect and preserve

one of the best things about America, our national parks, national monuments, game preserves,

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