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Hello, and welcome to our national conversation about conversations about race.

The weekly podcast where we discuss the ways we can't talk, don't talk, would rather not talk,

but intermittently, fitfully, embarrassingly do talk about culture, identity, politics, power, and privilege in our pre-post, yet still very racial America.

You could say all that or just call this show about race.

I'm Anna Holmes, and joining me from the Panoply Studios in New York are two very bad hombres about race regular Tanner Colby. Hi, Tanner. Hello, Anna. And Ari Berman,

ombre number two, contributing writer for the nation magazine and an investigative journalism

follow at the Nation Institute. Welcome to the show, Ari. Good to see you, Anna. Let's talk about

the debate. What do you think?

I'm glad it's over.

I'm glad it's all over.

pertaining to the topic we're going to get to today, it was rather disheartening.

Well, A, people of color have already kind of had their presidential election.

It was called the Democratic primary.

And now we're having the general election where we have a white nationalist party against everyone else. Everyone's competing for these, you know, the college educated Republicans, the independent white women and votes of people color are sort of like taken

for granted at this point. So nobody's really talking about it. The importance of the Supreme

Court was the lead off question. And I'm sitting here reading Ari's book about the importance of the

voting rights act and everything that's been happening recently. It's like, and Hillary doesn't even

bring it up, which was disheartening. Yeah, she talked a little bit about the Supreme Court in the

second debate, I think it was, or the first debate. They're all kind of blending together. And she did

talk about the right to vote. But for some some reason it wasn't part of the things that she

cared about with the Supreme Court, which I thought was a missed opportunity. I mean, it was weird.

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