Without warning, we're rolling Russell Riggin.

Russell, I want to give some people some lead up.

We knew each other in college.

You're a little bit older than me.

I was a little bit older than your little brother.

And if somebody said in college, who is the most likely person that you know to grow up and be an actual adult?

I would go easy to wrestle.

No question.

I take that as a compliment.

No, it is.

It is.

And I think especially in contrast to where we were in college, it was like, it was wild to me to watch a guy that took life seriously that early.

And so here we are, I don't even know how many decades later,

and it's like, well, yeah, this kind of makes sense. I've always been told I was an old man since I was

since I was a young kid. So I think that resonates with a lot with a lot of people. I don't know if

it's good or bad, but it's worked out pretty well for me. In an effort to protect the innocent, I've got some questions, and then you can just kind

of get around the ones that you don't. But the thing that stood out to me was that we were,

like when I was living at Hobbs, we weren't far from Lubbock and we would come up. Your

involvement with your fraternity, the football guys, it was, even back then then it was like you were the guy that just knew everybody uh what were some

what were some of those relationships because i can i remember the ones that i remember but what were

some of the meaningful relationships not just with friends but people who also went on like from a sports

or uh whether it's entertainment or whatever from that started let me ask you a different way when you

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