You're going to be a Welcome to the You Are Not So Smart Podcast. Episode 163. 63. Well I'll tell you one of the added perks of writing a book on the science of meetings is I have found that the meetings I attend they're much better than they used to be.

That is Dr. Stephen G Rogelberg, who is a psychologist and an organizational scientist who studies

management, organizations, institutions, how people work together in groups,

and he has written a book about his lifetime pursuit, his study over the last 20 years,

the centerpiece of what he works on day to day.

This is a scientist who studies meetings and he's written a book called The Surprising Science of Meetings.

I feel like people are kind of they feel a little extra pressure.

So I definitely find that the meetings that these are not the

meetings are the meetings that I'm just attending, they have gotten better.

That's a great, I mean, this may be a tip that you should have included in the book that if you

want to have better meetings, invite me. Now you probably probably hate meetings.

Most people do.

Stephen told me that over the last two decades of his research

people often tell him that they feel like that's all they ever do at work

is sit through meetings

and that's actually true of a lot of people. He's found that the

higher up you go in an organization, the more meetings you will likely attend every

day. For instance, many of the CEOs he has interviewed tell him that about five to six hours of their work days, five to six hours, are spent in meetings.

And you've likely spent many of your waking hours desperately waiting for a meeting to conclude,

or you've attended a meeting about having meetings or meeting about having fewer meetings or better

meetings, and much of this awfulness

all feels inevitable or unnecessary but his research has shown that neither of

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