The following podcast contains explicit language.

Hello, and welcome to our national conversation about conversations about race.

The weekly podcast where we discuss the ways we can't talk, don't talk, would rather not talk,

but intermittently, fitfully, embarrassingly do talk about culture, identity, politics, power,

and privilege in our pre-post yet still very racial America.

You could say all that or, yeah, just call the show about race.

I'm Anna Holmes and I'm joining remotely from L.A. this week where I am delighted to also have Baratunday Thurston.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

What's up, Baratunday? What's up, Anna? And we flew out on the same plane.

Yes, we did. Yes, we did. How was your. I was two rows behind you to the left. But like you never know what like happens to rows behind.

It could be like there was someone farting and it could have been a baby.

That's true.

That's true.

No, it was all good.

It was just like clouds out the window.

And, you know, electricity from the chairs.

I used to charge my phone.

That was pretty cool.

Wi-Fi. Oh, you weren't working. That is not. Oh, wait. I did, no, no, no.

First of all, I did use the Wi-Fi.

I'm going to flying a lot, so I'm a little confused.

But I actually sent a Slack to this group from the Wi-Fi.

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