Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories. I am your host for today,

John DeLin, and I'm joined today by the wonderful Jen Camp. Hey Jen.

Hi everybody. Thanks for joining us.

Yeah, you're so welcome.

This is an important topic today.

Yeah, I am very excited for this Mormon story.

Yeah. Today we are going to be talking about kind of a bit of a serious topic,

but one that I think is really prevalent, probably in the human condition, but I would also say

very prevalent within Mormonism. We are going to be talking about growing up in a narcissistic

Mormon family system. And it's a sensitive issue. Those of you who have been following

Mormon stories for a while will know that I did get a degree in clinical counseling psychology.

I don't say that to brag or to flex, but only just to acknowledge that I've studied some of

this a little bit. I'm in no way an expert on personality disorders, which narcissism kind of

qualifies for, but I know just enough to know that we have to be careful. And so before we kind of

announce today's guests and bring them on, I'm going to just provide a few little disclaimers and

then I'll allow our guests to add their own disclaimers. But my understanding of kind of the DSM

or the diagnostic statistics manual within the field of mental health is that there's kind of

standard diagnoses like depression or anxiety, trauma, those sorts of things. Back in the old DSM,

those were called Axis-1 diagnoses. And then they got rid of those classifications with the new DSM.

But there's a whole other class of diagnoses that are often referred to as personality disorders.

And unlike traditional mental health disorders like anxiety and depression, personality disorders

are tricky because they're kind of just the personality that the person develops by the time

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