Welcome back to True Jordy Podcast today's guest is Muhammad Hitchab and Ali Dawah who is just

we're waiting on him but he'll be here he's on the way thanks for coming bro. Thank you very much

haven't you? I appreciate it it's funny I've been recommended a lot of people to talk to and your name

was right at the very top of the list naturally. No true true be told because when I watch your videos

I was like okay I get this because I like your style you just had Jordan Peterson on you ask

good questions you talk about a lot of the same topics as me but you come at it from obviously a

different angle and with everything I've been through lately having someone like yourself on

I really appreciate it mate. Thank you very much. So elephant in the room? Yeah. How was it for you

viewing the situation and having you are one of the leaders in the Muslim community how did you

feel like that went down? Well I mean to be honest with you like I was sent the video where you

and Lawrence were speaking and stuff like that and obviously it was very distasteful I think you

obviously come to that realization. Not least because it's just one of those stereotypes that

people of just Muslim community have had to learn to live with for so long and it does have an

impact on their practical lives but also I think a lot of what the frustration in Muslim community is

about is that if for what other communities the ramifications may have been much worse. So for

example we believe that for instance when it comes to kind of protected characteristics because

in this country got the equalities act to say for example. So one of those is like religion

yeah one of the nine I think protected characteristics that Muslim sometimes get the short end of

the straw and so for instance if I were to make a joke about the Jewish community for example

about the Holocaust or stuff like that there would be almost no guarantee of no second chance.

Now what I'm saying is that this opens up a question about the extent to which freedom of speech

should be operational in society. I think the UK has its own boundaries because we've got

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