It's time for episode 162 of the Clockwise podcast from Relay FM recorded Thursday, November the 10th, 2016.

Clockwise, four people, four tech topics, 30 minutes.

Welcome back to Clockwise, the podcast that we deserve.

I am your co-host, Jason Snell.

And across the internet from me, my guest co-host this week, as Dan Moran is traveling, it's Serenity Caldwell.

Hello.

Hello, Jason.

How are you doing?

I like to have somebody on the East Coast as a co-host.

So you are slightly north of where Dan usually is, but, you know,

it's in the vicinity from California perspective. It's the right time zone. So that counts.

Sure, exactly right. That's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for some noon Eastern to go with my 9 Pacific.

We are, as always joined by two wonderful guests, to my left, senior editor at Tom's Guide,

and, of course, one of my colleagues for many years at Macworld.

It's Philip Michaels.

Hi, Phil, welcome back.

Hi, thanks for having me.

I'll ask the same question I always ask when I appear on Clockwise.

Who canceled?

Ha, ha.

I actually sought you out this time.

Yeah, it's true. So it doesn't quite work.

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